Official clan =RAGE= statement regarding disqualification from ladders and ban for WengWongChu
I feel it is only fair for myself and my team mates to make a case of defense in the aftermath of monday's events.
With heavy heart I learned on monday with rest of our players that we have been disqualified from the ladders because one of our players has been deemed to be cheating having been suspect to editing two rows on ROGame.ini-file. I can not believe how harsh this verdict is for the rest of players in =RAGE= and the snow ball effect it will have for also tarnishing their reputation for rest of the life span of the RO: Hos game. Disqualification sets a huge 'CHEAT!!!111' stamp for the honest guys in =RAGE= and it makes our future pretty untenable. Undeservedly so. With matches being played with 6 to 8 players per side we also feel the effect of the suspected misuse is not big enough to warrant such a significant penalty.
=RAGE= has spent thousands of combined hours in RO-game series and my ethic has been that we try to be good sport versus everyone, unless they do not want to. Clean and good image has been very important for me and for most of my team mates. We have helped to re-create graphic bugs in straight contact with Tripwire personnel such as Yoshiro after RO: hos was launched. We have also been helpful towards mutator developments during RO: ladder and TWI: ladder. I have been also asking for demo-viewing possibilities since the beginning along with many other players to add transparency.
=RAGE= team will not make any case in defense for the suspected player. This has also been one of my principles. Everyone answers for themselves and their actions. Should the suspected player want to make a case of defense for himself, I truly hope he does it and he knows my stance. We want to make clear that we were not aware of any such wrong doings by the suspect.
This rule is really overwhelming. While it gives TWIL unlimited power, it makes a clan leader without any power. When a official site can not proof the integrity of ini-files with it's mutator, how a single clan leader can know what kind of changes any given person has been using yesterday, is using today or will use tomorrow? This is simply not possible to track. Only way for clan leader to go with this is simply trust. When one setting has been edited by one member and whole clan gets disqualified, we feel it is way over the top.
I work on coding industry but I don't know too much about RO-mutator coding. Once the game creates an ini-file, lets say ROGame.ini, how hard it is to check with mutator if the ini-file is like vanilla? For me it sounds like comparing if a value is legit (gfx settings) or if the parameter exists in vanilla ini-file (no new values can be added). I'm not a big fan of the rule above because I have to admit I have been abusing one of my ini-files too because disabling VoiP in game simply does not work and I do not enjoy listening to other public players' music being played or sang as karaoke version. Yes, that means I could be banned under the rule above. Until today mutator has not checked for false VoiP values in ini-files which can be only accessed in ini, not in game. This was simply an example, maybe a bad one, but an example nevertheless. Another example would be bSmoothFramerate in roengine.ini which enables to raise the maxfps (frames per second) from the default ~85 or so to 120 for the game to appear smoother on 120hz display. Again not possible in the in-game settings but in no way anything questionable.
Our wish is to be not disqualified. We do agree that any match where suspected player played and was deemed using the suspected method can be voided or a win given in favor of the opponent. Disqualification is simply too harsh for the rest of the players and as I said in the beginning, it's unfair for them to carry the stamp of being a cheater. The effect will make it nearly impossible for us to continue as clan =RAGE= in RO: Hos.
I have been further saddened by reactions of some fellow players in the scene who are enjoying the aftermath of this verdict. Shame on you, too. I also want to thank the sympathies I have received as guys in RO-scene and other FPS-scene have given us support in this case thinking punishing whole team is too excessive in this case.
Never in history of competitive RO on various competitive arenas I have not seen a team disqualified/banned (or maybe someone can remind me of some case) even when there has been player(s) caught on significantly severe stuff like wall hacking. We can not understand the magnitude of the penalty for the clan. As even admins admit, the only piece of evidence used for disqualifing the whole clan is one youtube-video. We have appealed against the disqualification of =RAGE=. We will not appeal against the ban for our former player as he will do it himself should he wish to do so.
Regards,
clan =RAGE=
signed by: Suugi, Whitef0x, Siitosori, Nipsu, Finalize, aLEEE, KarhuWaari on 25/11/2014
ps. Not a single admin has contacted us regarding this matter. Is that normal?
pps. We are not interested of any flame wars with anyone regarding this decision. Should you want to troll us, please do it in Steam directly to me or join our irc-channel #=rage= in QuakeNet. Also I shall be the only =RAGE= member posting to this thread.
I feel it is only fair for myself and my team mates to make a case of defense in the aftermath of monday's events.
With heavy heart I learned on monday with rest of our players that we have been disqualified from the ladders because one of our players has been deemed to be cheating having been suspect to editing two rows on ROGame.ini-file. I can not believe how harsh this verdict is for the rest of players in =RAGE= and the snow ball effect it will have for also tarnishing their reputation for rest of the life span of the RO: Hos game. Disqualification sets a huge 'CHEAT!!!111' stamp for the honest guys in =RAGE= and it makes our future pretty untenable. Undeservedly so. With matches being played with 6 to 8 players per side we also feel the effect of the suspected misuse is not big enough to warrant such a significant penalty.
=RAGE= has spent thousands of combined hours in RO-game series and my ethic has been that we try to be good sport versus everyone, unless they do not want to. Clean and good image has been very important for me and for most of my team mates. We have helped to re-create graphic bugs in straight contact with Tripwire personnel such as Yoshiro after RO: hos was launched. We have also been helpful towards mutator developments during RO: ladder and TWI: ladder. I have been also asking for demo-viewing possibilities since the beginning along with many other players to add transparency.
=RAGE= team will not make any case in defense for the suspected player. This has also been one of my principles. Everyone answers for themselves and their actions. Should the suspected player want to make a case of defense for himself, I truly hope he does it and he knows my stance. We want to make clear that we were not aware of any such wrong doings by the suspect.
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You are responsible for the conduct of your teammates not TWIL. |
This rule is really overwhelming. While it gives TWIL unlimited power, it makes a clan leader without any power. When a official site can not proof the integrity of ini-files with it's mutator, how a single clan leader can know what kind of changes any given person has been using yesterday, is using today or will use tomorrow? This is simply not possible to track. Only way for clan leader to go with this is simply trust. When one setting has been edited by one member and whole clan gets disqualified, we feel it is way over the top.
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All programs or files, either changed game files or new files, including all .ini files that change the game or add to its functionality, or which interact with the game in any way, are strictly forbidden. Modified versions of the game's resource files are always forbidden, regardless of what they do, unless other rules specify otherwise, as in a specified mutator or custom map or similar sanctioned by TWIL for use in a particular event. |
I work on coding industry but I don't know too much about RO-mutator coding. Once the game creates an ini-file, lets say ROGame.ini, how hard it is to check with mutator if the ini-file is like vanilla? For me it sounds like comparing if a value is legit (gfx settings) or if the parameter exists in vanilla ini-file (no new values can be added). I'm not a big fan of the rule above because I have to admit I have been abusing one of my ini-files too because disabling VoiP in game simply does not work and I do not enjoy listening to other public players' music being played or sang as karaoke version. Yes, that means I could be banned under the rule above. Until today mutator has not checked for false VoiP values in ini-files which can be only accessed in ini, not in game. This was simply an example, maybe a bad one, but an example nevertheless. Another example would be bSmoothFramerate in roengine.ini which enables to raise the maxfps (frames per second) from the default ~85 or so to 120 for the game to appear smoother on 120hz display. Again not possible in the in-game settings but in no way anything questionable.
Our wish is to be not disqualified. We do agree that any match where suspected player played and was deemed using the suspected method can be voided or a win given in favor of the opponent. Disqualification is simply too harsh for the rest of the players and as I said in the beginning, it's unfair for them to carry the stamp of being a cheater. The effect will make it nearly impossible for us to continue as clan =RAGE= in RO: Hos.
I have been further saddened by reactions of some fellow players in the scene who are enjoying the aftermath of this verdict. Shame on you, too. I also want to thank the sympathies I have received as guys in RO-scene and other FPS-scene have given us support in this case thinking punishing whole team is too excessive in this case.
Never in history of competitive RO on various competitive arenas I have not seen a team disqualified/banned (or maybe someone can remind me of some case) even when there has been player(s) caught on significantly severe stuff like wall hacking. We can not understand the magnitude of the penalty for the clan. As even admins admit, the only piece of evidence used for disqualifing the whole clan is one youtube-video. We have appealed against the disqualification of =RAGE=. We will not appeal against the ban for our former player as he will do it himself should he wish to do so.
Regards,
clan =RAGE=
signed by: Suugi, Whitef0x, Siitosori, Nipsu, Finalize, aLEEE, KarhuWaari on 25/11/2014
ps. Not a single admin has contacted us regarding this matter. Is that normal?
pps. We are not interested of any flame wars with anyone regarding this decision. Should you want to troll us, please do it in Steam directly to me or join our irc-channel #=rage= in QuakeNet. Also I shall be the only =RAGE= member posting to this thread.
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